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Hello all! After the most recent kerfuffle, I thought I would take this opportunity to ask what folks felt would be the best practices for the newsletter regarding certain sites and types of links.

I have made a Content Poll-- it's not long, and if you don't like any of the options you can totally post a comment here instead. It asks about etiquette regarding Dreamwidth/LiveJournal communities, Fanlore pages, Fanlore-found links, and what to do when an Original Poster is not available for contact.

All these questions assume the post being linked is not locked or private, and that the entity doing the linking is a newsletter.

Edit: Some further context for why linking and linking permissions is so hotly debated in fandom (Fanlore).

My own answers are currently along the lines of: community posts are probably fine to link because they were posted widely to begin with; Fanlore pages made through explicit permission of OP is best, but for certain historical meta it's okay to link anyway; linking to Fanlore to provide further context is fine; no way to ask for permission means no link; if the OP has completely disappeared from fandom and/or online, it's fine to link their stuff.

But I want to know what you think! :)

The comments here are open, and I encourage you all to discuss your thoughts with me and with each other. We've had some really good discussions in the last few days, and I'm interested in seeing what you all think about these specific linking situations.

If you can think of anything else that might be missing from either the poll or the editorial guidelines, please let me know.

Thank you! ♥

Date: 2019-01-27 02:03 pm (UTC)
copracat: bowie with text "someday I'll fly away" (bowie fly)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Tumblr users might be more used to having their posts linked. Isn't is commonly accepted on Tumblr that linking (that is "reblogging") is okay and in fact, the nature of the site? The important thing being clear credit to the OP which is not an issue on a link newsletter? I am not an expert however!

Date: 2019-01-27 02:17 pm (UTC)
graveexcitement: amami rantarou (ndrv3) (amami)
From: [personal profile] graveexcitement
yeah, i think that's worth considering too? it does go hand in hand -- the nature of the site is to reblog, but there's also no useful privacy controls whatsoever so no one has control over whether a post is seen by Just Their Followers or by Half The Entire Site.

which like you said, is the nature of tumblr, so i dunno. maybe that means more people there go in Expecting that their posts are in the public sphere, like i do? which would make linking without permission more okay.

but if some people were considering their own blog more of a slightly more private sphere, just without the option to actually make specific posts private, that's a little more of an issue. (i mean, i saw quite a few posts labelled Don't Reblog, as a desperate attempt to make sure the post didn't get spread around, but people didn't always listen. that said, those were more often venting or personal posts rather than meta, i think.)

Date: 2019-01-27 02:37 pm (UTC)
batwrangler: Just for me. (Default)
From: [personal profile] batwrangler
Speaking for myself, what LJ was in the old days was a privately moderated forum. It was having a salon or house party over which you set the rules of discourse. It was one step more accessible than a printed zine and a couple steps less universal than a usenet group (I guess reddit is the usenet of today?) plus arguably more permanent than fan email lists (which may or may not have had web archives).
Edited (Tyop) Date: 2019-01-27 02:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-01-27 02:56 pm (UTC)
graveexcitement: amami rantarou (ndrv3) (amami)
From: [personal profile] graveexcitement
that makes sense! i can see how it would be considered more private by default than i had been thinking.

Date: 2019-01-27 02:47 pm (UTC)
batwrangler: Just for me. (Default)
From: [personal profile] batwrangler
There was also not generally a drive to get followers as followers: you paid for the bandwidth you used, you weren’t generating revenue from page views. Too much attention - even positive attention - could make your site fall over (and possibly bankrupt you), like being mentioned on slashdot (aka slashdotting) or having Neil Gaiman link to a thing of yours.

Date: 2019-01-27 02:53 pm (UTC)
graveexcitement: ouma kokichi (ndrv3) (ouma confused)
From: [personal profile] graveexcitement
huh, that's very different from the "accrue followers until you hit Critical Mass" general goal of tumblr/twitter! but of course, twitter/tumblr only pay for your bandwidth because they want to profit off of you... hmm.

Date: 2019-01-27 03:04 pm (UTC)
batwrangler: Just for me. (Default)
From: [personal profile] batwrangler
Another thing to keep in mind was how we accessed the internet: via telephone modems and landlines and WE PAID BY THE MINUTE for the phone use (as well as not being able to use the phone for other phone calls, unless you got a dedicated phone line) in addition to paying access fees (and hosting, if you wanted a website). And domain-registration alone was hundreds of dollars per domain name per year.

And you had to have an actual computer. I spent my first several years on the internet only having computer access at work (when I was in school, we didn't have personal computers at all. My college barely even had a computer center when I was there and we were still using public pay phones in the lobbies of the dorms for all our phone calls).
Edited Date: 2019-01-27 03:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-01-27 03:46 pm (UTC)
graveexcitement: ouma kokichi (ndrv3) (ouma confused)
From: [personal profile] graveexcitement
paying by the minute to use the internet... yikes! haha. the barriers to entry sound like they were a lot higher, which makes the expectation of general privacy make sense, yeah.

Date: 2019-01-28 11:38 pm (UTC)
elf: Computer chip with location dot (You Are Here)
From: [personal profile] elf
On the one hand, on Tumblr, people know they have no control over who sees their stuff; reblogs can go anywhere.

On the other, they get notified when people like or reblog their original post. They know when something's gone viral because all of a sudden they've got 300 notifications since they checked last. And they can just look at the post on their own blog, and see the responses - they don't have to hunt down other people's blogs to see how people have reacted, and they can respond directly to the replies.

The tensions we're going to see with Tumblr users is when they discover their post has been linked to by someone who's blocked them, whether that's a specific ban, or no anon comments, or non-access comments are screened.

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